And who is better trained in dogfight. I don

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Yes, everything is factor in case of maneuverability. Size, weight, shape, jane s military engines, avionics, external weapon systems... even the pilot. The last one can be a surprise in modern days but the human is the most weak link in whole plane, plane is able to do more G turn without pilot but he don't do this because human would blackout. Chengdu J-20 is a big prototype (he maybe stay in that way as flying testing platform for other 5th gen planes) but almost the same size as Sukhoi Su-27, then Chinese had not build something bigger then they already use in PLAAF. J-20 is only slightly bigger then PAK FA and that plane already show outstanding maneuverability not only on pair with everything in "western" country's but better then most of them. Supermaneuverability is something what Sukhoi engineers design from long long years and they just know that shit. Very important thing is engines, China don't posses a know how to build good jet engines. The can copy many things but design own engine on pair with some Russian, jane s military European or US engines, no sir they can't. The problem for us is that we don't know what will be the power of J-20 engines. Some sources say that it will be China home made WS-15 but there is absolutely no info about it. If it will be WS-15 then J-20 will be for sure under powered, but if Chinese get hands on Russian Saturn AL-31... The other case is unusual jane s military for 5th Gen fighter canards wings, this is something very interesting. jane s military Most of 5th Gen fighters are design to NOT go in to dogfight. But J-20 with that interesting design will be able to turn more rapidly, almost dance around other planes. jane s military Merge that with vectored thrust engines and you got some pretty sneaky bastards in any turn action. And the last thing, J-20 even at it size look like he will be able to out turn and out maneuver not only F-35 and F-22 but probably it will be able to do this with PAK FA. There is the problem with how much the construction, air frame of fighter can withstand and how much little jane s military Chinese boy can withstand jane s military before his brain start to leak from his ears. Delete
i constantly accuse the chinese of copying. i accuse jane s military them of cheating on trade. i accuse them of being a totalitarian regime (ironic jane s military considering whats going on in the US). i will however never call them anything less than brilliant. brilliant. ruthless. cunning. formidable. having said that, we can kick their behinds back behind the great wall if we get our act together. Delete
Yes they are, we don't jane s military need to like them but we need to respect them. They build good things, not the best, but many good things are always better then some perfect ones. Because jane s military "Even Hercules is an ass when people attack in mass". Delete
Interesting mental exercise. Two 5th gen fighters, unable jane s military to detect each other at beyond visual ranges through RADAR (their designed killing range with BLOS missiles) end up in a dog fight... In a dogfight, pilot experience and proficiency fueled by data input is key. Goes right back to Col. Boyd's OODA loop, the pilot who can see the fight the clearest can make choices jane s military that eventually make his opponent have no choices. So in terms of who wins in a dogfight, the J-20 or F-35, I would be looking to how well the pilots can see out of the canopy jane s military bubble, jane s military how well the instruments feed information, jane s military and how often the pilots eyes have to move off axis to access information. Seems like the "helmet of the future" project that is way behind schedule for the F-35 needs to get another kick in the pants. Reply Delete jane s military
And who is better trained in dogfight. I don't know if yanks still believe in gun dogfight or again forget about it and concentrate on shooting missiles. Second thing, if you want to go tango on point blank range you will need to use guns. Only F-35A posses internal gun with... this is ridiculous... 182 rounds. J-20 gun armament is unknown, probably classic GSh-301 jane s military and if they put the same ammo drum on it as J-11 then they will have only 150 rounds. Bloody sniper shots. Delete
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